Jerry Cave of Cavewebworks and his wife Sheila Cave are in the business of selling high end website design and SEO, their claim to fame is Thompson Creek Window Company. The problem is Thompson Creek already had a highly relevant website to begin with that ranked well with the major search engines. As far as website design goes they would not know the difference between as site that converts and one that dosen't if it swung up and bit them in the behind. Beware that the Caves use a third party out of state SEO Company, they are nothing more than a broker. As far as SEO goes they can get you ranked locally if you have a site that is already built and ranking well, Big deal a monkey can do that! If you need a site built from scratch and you are starting from scratch you can do much better for way less money if you do your homework. Jerry Cave and his counterparts only know how to get ranking locally at best, They have no clue how to do global ranking such as e commerce. If you can rank globally, local raking is childs play. Just beware they are just another web design and SEO company promising the world and delivering very little.