Bill Roden, the owner of U.P. Charts is a scam artist. Warning!! He will take your money and not deliver the products. He took us for thousands of dollars in a franchise scam. He operates a ponzi sceme. Takes your money to pay off the last order. Check with the BBB in Michigan and also search the company and his name for other information. Do not front him any money. His supplyiers have cut him off and he is trying to find other supplyiers. Do not front him money. You are wlecome to contact me @ [email protected] for more information and to try and have this guy locked up.