We are dealing with both these people as well.. charging our bank card and my credit card. All these hidden charges are crap. We will never buy stuff like this online..again. So all those honest people trying to sell stuff need to put a stop to the crooked ones.. Not likely to happen but a good idea anyway. Miss representation.. saying something is free and just the shipping charge and no obligation and low and behold they take 87.13 and 57 plus from us.. not going to happen again. thanks for listening.vera and carla read full review »